超能力 Superpower(2023)英文字幕预览

1 00:00:31 - I used to carry around a little card in my wallet.
2 00:00:34 Printed on it was a passage written by
3 00:00:37 Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright William Saroyan.
4 00:00:43 His words have served me as a a kind of
5 00:00:45 aspirational instruction
6 00:00:47 on how I might best live my life.
7 00:00:53 In its few and poignant paragraphs
8 00:00:57 I held it as a Bible of sorts.
9 00:01:00 Its thoughts had resonated deeply with me
10 00:01:02 from a young age and on a visceral level
11 00:01:05 and for decades.
12 00:01:09 But it had not become so crystal clear
13 00:01:11 in its relevance until this past year and half
14 00:01:15 as I made seven trips to and from Ukraine
15 00:01:19 for the making of this film.
16 00:01:27 - For those of you watching,
17 00:01:29 Vladimir Putin has just declared
18 00:01:30 that a special military operation is now underway.
19 00:01:34 - This speech by Vladimir Putin
20 00:01:36 basically saying that this war
21 00:01:38 is on the hands of the Ukrainians who resist.
22 00:01:41 [distant explosion] Oh. I tell you what.
23 00:01:43 I just heard a big bang.
24 00:01:45 - And the distinct sound of explosions
25 00:01:48 on the horizon here in Kyiv.
26 00:01:50 - Go, go, go.
27 00:01:51 - A democratic country has been invaded
28 00:01:53 by its nuclear-armed neighbor.
29 00:01:55 - At least three explosions rocked the capital of Kyiv.
30 00:01:58 - We should go a little bit faster.
31 00:02:01 - Russia is picking off Ukraine's military facilities
32 00:02:04 one after another.
33 00:02:05 - No, no, guys.
34 00:02:07 - Okay. - What the fuck is going on?
35 00:02:10
36 00:02:13
37 00:02:15 - If the Russians did attack,
38 00:02:16 they'd have a short run to Kharkiv.
39 00:02:19 We're driving north towards the border
40 00:02:22 with Russia, which is now about
41 00:02:24 15 or 20 minutes away.
42 00:02:25 About half an hour beyond that is the city of...
43 00:02:28 - I really want to get back over there.
44 00:02:31 - They pulled back logistical units
45 00:02:32 that they could move back to bases
46 00:02:34 that are already close by.
47 00:02:36 All the, like, the things that would be essential for--
48 00:02:38 to take Kyiv they've left in place.
49 00:02:40 - But then the counterpoint
50 00:02:42 from the Unites States' position is that
51 00:02:45 they've also moved things in what looks like
52 00:02:49 a strategic movement towards--
53 00:02:51 - You have to spend this money to train the troops
54 00:02:53 on logistics on how you make these moves.
55 00:02:56 - I had a conversation
56 00:02:58 with a former State Department official,
57 00:03:00 and he, like us,
58 00:03:01 "I don't think it's going to happen" kind of feel.
59 00:03:04 Some of these pieces will be edited out of the film,
60 00:03:07 because it might be us saying, "It's not going to happen.
61 00:03:09 - And then they fucking... - No.
62 00:03:11 In fact, though, it's a valuable time capsule
63 00:03:14 to, you know... - With feeling.
64 00:03:17 - Yes, we will admit it.
65 00:03:19 But it's not going to happen.
66 00:03:21 - Erin's hearing from the Zelensky office.
67 00:03:24 How do you feel about jumping on the plane Sunday?
68 00:03:26 - Let's say things get weird
69 00:03:28 and they shut down airlines... - Right.
70 00:03:31 - Into Kyiv, should we go to Poland?
71 00:03:34 - There's a natural kind of avenue to get there.
72 00:03:36 We fly in and drive in. - Yeah.
73 00:03:38 Is there a train?
74 00:03:40
75 00:03:41 - I'll check on the train. - Fuck, that was tits.
76 00:03:45 That was really great.
77 00:03:47 That was one of the great nights in my life
78 00:03:49 just being able to look out the window
79 00:03:51 at the distant little lights and villages.
80 00:03:54
81 00:03:57
82 00:04:00
83 00:04:04 - So...
84 00:04:13 - We're gonna follow your lead,
85 00:04:16 because we're starting from zero.
86 00:04:17
87 00:04:49 - Okay.
88 00:04:52
89 00:05:05
90 00:05:19
91 00:05:37 - This project started with,
92 00:05:39 "Oh, what a cute human interest.
93 00:05:40 "This comedic actor, this nice little guy
94 00:05:43 "has become the president of Ukraine.
95 00:05:44 This is going to be funny."
96 00:05:46 I talked to Sean about it just as a friend.
97 00:05:48 I said, "Oh, I'm doing this, you know,
98 00:05:50 this project on Zelensky."
99 00:05:52 And Sean said, "Oh, you know, I've been watching
100 00:05:53 "a little bit about this guy.
101 00:05:55 He seems, like, really interesting."
102 00:05:56 And I've seen Sean do this with other things
103 00:05:59 and people that he finds interesting.
104 00:06:01 - Before the quake, actor Sean Penn
105 00:06:03 had never been to Haiti.
106 00:06:05 He has been there almost full-time since January.
107 00:06:07 - I've often been asked,
108 00:06:10 "What's a Hollywood actor doing
109 00:06:11 by going to places of disaster..."
110 00:06:13 - We arrived in Baghdad this morning.
111 00:06:15 - "Of conflict..."
112 00:06:17 I cannot conceive why they would not have shared
113 00:06:20 the evidence of weapons of mass destruction.
114 00:06:22 - Remember that Sean Penn is an arrogant
115 00:06:24 and self-involved person.
116 00:06:27 - You know, even his poop doesn't stink.
117 00:06:28 - "Spending time with alleged enemies of America
118 00:06:30 - Two-time Oscar winner Sean Penn...
119 00:06:31 - "Or much worse?
120 00:06:32 - Shaking hands with El Chapo.
121 00:06:34 Who do you think you are, Walter Cronkite?"
122 00:06:37 - Unbelievable, you see these celebrities...
123 00:06:38 "Do you have a savior complex?"
124 00:06:40 - Just stick to what you're good at,
125 00:06:41 but stay out of our politics.
126 00:06:43 I just don't quite get why CNN keeps having him on.
127 00:06:46 - What really motivates you, Sean Penn?
128 00:06:49
129 00:06:50 The best response that I've ever
130 00:06:52 been able to muster is that I'm curious.
131 00:06:55 I've been lucky in life to be able to afford to travel.
132 00:06:58 And weathered though it is,
133 00:07:00 my famous face
134 00:07:01 gets me access to places and people
135 00:07:03 I may otherwise not have known.
136 00:07:06 And sometimes I feel I can be helpful.
137 00:07:10 This film is unusual.
138 00:07:12 When Billy Smith and I set out to make this film
139 00:07:15 there'd been no recent sign of accelerated threat
140 00:07:17 to Ukraine by Russia.
141 00:07:20 Most of what I knew about President Zelensky
142 00:07:22 was that he had too had been an actor
143 00:07:24 and that as president he had the very unfortunate
144 00:07:27 international perception
145 00:07:28 of having an attempt at him being puppeted
146 00:07:31 by then U.S. president Donald Trump.
147 00:07:33 - Tonight an explosive allegation
148 00:07:35 by a government whistleblower.
149 00:07:37 - It details President Trump's conversation
150 00:07:38 with the Ukrainian president.
151 00:07:40 - It was on that call President Trump
152 00:07:41 told the Ukrainian president,
153 00:07:43 "I would like you to do us a favor.
154 00:07:47 - Suddenly I had to do what I do,
155 00:07:49 listen to smart people.
156 00:07:52 - In the early 1990s, when the Soviet Union collapsed,
157 00:07:56 Ukraine had on its territory
158 00:07:58 the world's third-largest nuclear arsenal.
159 00:08:00 If you go back and you look
160 00:08:01 at the George H.W. Bush administration
161 00:08:03 and then the first year or two
162 00:08:05 of the Clinton administration,
163 00:08:06 a real focus was on getting rid of those nuclear weapons.
164 00:08:09 And the Ukrainians at the end of the day
165 00:08:11 were prepared to do that.
166 00:08:12 Their one condition was, they said, "Look,
167 00:08:14 "nuclear weapons offer security.
168 00:08:17 If we get rid of them, how do you replace that?"
169 00:08:20 And we came up with something that seemed like a good idea
170 00:08:22 at the time.
171 00:08:23 And it was the Budapest Memorandum
172 00:08:25 on Security Assurances, where the United States,
173 00:08:27 Britain, and Russia said,
174 00:08:28 "We will respect your sovereignty,
175 00:08:30 "your territorial integrity, your independence.
176 00:08:32 "And we will not use or threaten
177 00:08:33 to use force against you."
178 00:08:34 Russians, of course, have violated all of that.
179 00:08:37
180 00:08:40
181 00:08:42 - We'd originally set out to tell the whimsical tale
182 00:08:45 of a real-world president,
183 00:08:47 who had been a comedy superstar
184 00:08:49 in a series about a rural history teacher
185 00:08:52 who becomes a president
186 00:08:54 only later to actually become one.
187 00:08:59 - Reality had mirrored fiction,
188 00:09:01 and Zelensky had made it difficult
189 00:09:02 for many of us to know
190 00:09:04 where the television president ended and the real one began.
191 00:09:10 - It was feeling ever more strangely
192 00:09:12 like a movie within a movie
193 00:09:14 within a movie.
194 00:09:16 What would it take for Ukraine
195 00:09:18 to be accepted into NATO?
196 00:09:20 - NATO said, "Enlargement will be a matter
197 00:09:22 "between the alliance and the country in question
198 00:09:24 and no third parties."
199 00:09:26 Well, I think it's fairly obvious
200 00:09:28 Russia's gotten a de facto vote.
201 00:09:30 I think the concern here is,
202 00:09:32 if Ukraine joins NATO on Monday,
203 00:09:36 on Tuesday, is NATO then at war with Russia?
204 00:09:40 - The situation in and around Ukraine
205 00:09:42 remains fluid and unpredictable.
206 00:09:45 There is no certainty about Russia's intentions.
207 00:09:47 We see a significant
208 00:09:49 and unusual concentration of forces,
209 00:09:53 which is, you know, unjustified and unexplained.
210 00:09:56 - And with the current Russian buildups...
211 00:09:58 - Yeah. - How does that go
212 00:10:00 for a president like Zelensky?
213 00:10:02 - I think Zelensky is a problem for Putin
214 00:10:05 in the sense that he contradicts
215 00:10:07 the Russian narrative.
216 00:10:08 I mean, the Russian narrative of Ukraine
217 00:10:10 is that there's an ultra-right neo-Nazi government
218 00:10:13 that hates Russia and hates Russians,
219 00:10:15 including Ukrainians who are ethnic Russians.
220 00:10:19 Zelensky is a problem for that.
221 00:10:20 He's Jewish.
222 00:10:22 - Let's be serious.
223 00:10:23 We're now living in the world where...
224 00:10:29 He made an entertainment empire making movies,
225 00:10:33 coming to shows all over the post-Soviet space.
226 00:10:36 He was a star in Russia as well.
227 00:10:39 - [speaking native language]
228 00:10:41 [cheers and applause]
229 00:10:42 - The situation was changing
230 00:10:44 and feeling more urgent
231 00:10:46 for us as trying to tell a story about Zelensky
232 00:10:49 to get over there as soon as possible
233 00:10:51 to give Sean a feel for the place
234 00:10:52 before it all might go sideways.
235 00:10:53
236 00:10:56
237 00:11:04 - We took in a bit of nightlife,
238 00:11:06 met with some veterans of the Crimea invasion...
239 00:11:09
240 00:11:11 Then ultimately with a very big and strong man
241 00:11:14 who was posed to challenge Zelensky for the presidency.
242 00:11:17 - Vitali Klitschko has made history as a boxer.
243 00:11:20 - Vitali Klitschko retained his share
244 00:11:21 of the heavyweight title.
245 00:11:22 - But he's recently left the ring
246 00:11:24 for a far more dangerous arena.
247 00:11:26 - Right now I continue my fight,
248 00:11:29 because I see the great future of my country.
249 00:11:32 - There's a lot of parallels between Ukraine
250 00:11:35 and the United States today politically.
251 00:11:37 One of them is how people define freedom.
252 00:11:40 - Regarding Ukraine, it's our freedom
253 00:11:43 to be independent,
254 00:11:45 independent to make a decision where we go.
255 00:11:49 Not so many people know about Ukraine,
256 00:11:52 because we're a very young country.
257 00:11:54 We just celebrate 30 years' independency.
258 00:11:57 We was in Soviet Union,
259 00:11:59 and somebody have an idea to rebuild
260 00:12:03 big Russian empire.
261 00:12:05 - Somebody has an idea to rebuild the Soviet Empire?
262 00:12:07 - Yeah. - Yeah. That's right. Okay.
263 00:12:09 - We don't want back to USSR.
264 00:12:12 We're fighting to build democracy,
265 00:12:15 to have a choice.
266 00:12:18 To be part of modern world, I guess, is freedom.
267 00:12:22 But just after 2014,
268 00:12:26 we clearly understand what this mean,
269 00:12:31 territorial integrity and independency.
270 00:12:35 People pay for that highest price.
271 00:12:39
272 00:12:42
273 00:12:52 - Thousands upon thousands of demonstrators
274 00:12:55 have taken to the streets furious with the government
275 00:12:57 of President Viktor Yanukovych.
276 00:12:58 - Yanukovych reversed his decision to sign
277 00:13:01 a long-awaited trade deal with the European Union
278 00:13:03 in a move that favored stronger ties with Russia.
279 00:13:06 - I can't imagine us living in the pre-Maidan times,
280 00:13:10 in the country with authoritarian rule.
281 00:13:13 We didn't have strong institutions
282 00:13:15 that were pro-Ukranian.
283 00:13:17 Our information space was merged with Russia.
284 00:13:20 We didn't think much about Ukrainian identity,
285 00:13:24 but people changed.
286 00:13:25 - I am Ukrainian.
287 00:13:26 We are not a Soviet Union.
288 00:13:29 We want to be free.
289 00:13:33 Maidan was such an empowering moment
290 00:13:35 for my generation.
291 00:13:36 Like, each of us, we felt that our voice matter,
292 00:13:42 our persistence matters, and that we can win.
293 00:13:56 - Before Maidan, Ukraine was kind of
294 00:13:58 a gray area on the map.
295 00:14:02 - No one understood what's really the difference
296 00:14:03 between Ukraine and Russia.
297 00:14:05 We were completely, like, in this kleptocratic state,
298 00:14:09 like, where everyone was stealing everything.
299 00:14:11 And one of the goals of this protest
300 00:14:13 was to clean up corruption from Ukrainian government.
301 00:14:16 And it was so hard.
302 00:14:18
303 00:14:21
304 00:14:23
305 00:14:26 - Fallen bodies in the streets of Kyiv.
306 00:14:29 Protesters confronting security services,
307 00:14:31 who respond with live ammunition.
308 00:14:33 - We're hearing from medical officials
309 00:14:35 that possibly 100 people have died.
310 00:14:36 That figure is going to inflame
311 00:14:38 an awful lot of anger.
312 00:14:40
313 00:14:42 - Ukrainians have this historical willingness
314 00:14:46 to be a democratic state.
315 00:14:48 And because it is so hard to get,
316 00:14:53 it becomes very precious.
317 00:14:54
318 00:14:57
319 00:15:27
320 00:16:10 - At the ceremony, the lady who spoke before you said
321 00:16:13 he wanted to build Europe here.
322 00:16:15 Is that dream one that will be realized
323 00:16:17 in the future of Ukraine?
324 00:16:24 - Euromaidan gave a great push to build our own sense
325 00:16:28 of responsibility.
326 00:16:30 We started to realize, it's our country.
327 00:16:32 We have to do something.
328 00:16:34 - In a special session, Ukraine's parliament
329 00:16:36 voted to remove President Viktor Yanukovych.
330 00:16:39 - He fled to Russia, urging Moscow to retaliate.
331 00:17:12 - Annexation of Crimea was made possible
332 00:17:16 because of Euromaidan.
333 00:17:17 It allowed Putin to switch on the propaganda.
334 00:17:20
335 00:18:03 - Shame on me having focused so little of my attention
336 00:18:06 on Ukraine's 2004 Orange Revolution
337 00:18:09 or its significant leader, Viktor Yushchenko.
338 00:18:12 After being elected president in 2005,
339 00:18:16 Yushchenko became Ukraine's first modern leader
340 00:18:19 to stand up for Ukraine's sovereignty
341 00:18:21 against Russia's unrelentingly invasive grip.
342 00:18:25 While I, like most Americans,
343 00:18:28 remembered little beyond the headlines
344 00:18:29 about the dioxin poisoning of Yushchenko
345 00:18:32 by Russian assets,
346 00:18:34 this had been a sanguine moment
347 00:18:35 in Ukraine's sovereign evolution.
348 00:18:38 In the ten politically corrupt and chaotic years
349 00:18:41 of disappointment that followed,
350 00:18:43 the masses had maintained that rumble of freedom calling
351 00:18:47 until that rumble became the river
352 00:18:49 that burst into Maidan.
353 00:18:52
354 00:18:55
355 00:19:02 - We were all through eastern Ukraine,
356 00:19:04 and we traveled down to Mariupol.
357 00:19:07 - Mariupol, which had been so consistently scarred
358 00:19:10 since 2014, would later become the site
359 00:19:14 of so much death and destruction.
360 00:19:17
361 00:19:26
362 00:19:29 Why did you decide to serve?
363 00:19:41 - And you rose to position of commander?
364 00:19:56 - And you're a sniper?
365 00:20:01 - It's November 2021.
366 00:20:04 Where is general troop morale?
367 00:20:23
368 00:20:27 - After Maidan, it was hard to imagine myself
369 00:20:29 anywhere else in the world,
370 00:20:31 because Ukraine is a country in the making.
371 00:20:34 And, like, being a part of the historical process
372 00:20:38 of building a state,
373 00:20:41 it's bigger than anything.
374 00:20:43 Like, you're building something
375 00:20:45 that will influence life of people for hundreds of years.
376 00:20:49 - After Maidan, people expected
377 00:20:53 a new political elite, a new government
378 00:20:56 will change the situation dramatically,
379 00:21:00 will fight corruption, will change internal rules,
380 00:21:02 and so on and so forth.
381 00:21:04 But, unfortunately, the old corrupted elite--
382 00:21:06 Western-related but still corrupted--
383 00:21:09 came to power.
384 00:21:10 - He was one of the wealthiest people in the country
385 00:21:12 from day one.
386 00:21:13 - Ukrainians perceived Poroshenko, many of them,
387 00:21:16 as another oligarch, a rich man going to power
388 00:21:20 and becoming even more rich man.
389 00:21:33 - There's a saying here,
390 00:21:34 which may sound bad,
391 00:21:36 but as long as there's corruption,
392 00:21:38 you can count on justice.
393 00:21:40 - This kind of idea of Ukrainians,
394 00:21:42 that there are oligarchs who privatized the country,
395 00:21:46 and they put the private interests
396 00:21:48 over the public interests.
397 00:21:50 So Zelensky was playing on this,
398 00:21:52 that, "I will come, and I will break this system."
399 00:21:55
400 00:21:58 - His political life began
401 00:21:59 with that really incredible coup on New Year's Eve.
402 00:22:03
403 00:22:05 - Zelensky was, you know, ally with Kolomoisky,
404 00:22:08 one of the oligarchs.
405 00:22:10 And Kolomoisky TV channel, 1+1,
406 00:22:12 instead of address of the president, Poroshenko,
407 00:22:16 they put address of Zelensky.
408 00:22:22 - Zelensky has done a lot to try to separate himself
409 00:22:25 from Kolomoisky, but I don't get the sense
410 00:22:27 that he's as compromised
411 00:22:29 as someone like Viktor Yanukovych
412 00:22:32 or Petro Poroshenko, who are legitimate oligarchs.
413 00:22:35 - In Ukraine, it's not necessarily a country
414 00:22:37 that's black and white; it's shades of gray.
415 00:22:39 - Here's a young kid, pure,
416 00:22:41 innocent, white, fluffy bunny rabbit
417 00:22:42 untouched by the dirt of politics.
418 00:22:45 - He knows what to do.
419 00:23:03 - I saw his show, "The Servant of the People,"
420 00:23:04 exactly what he would do if he was president,
421 00:23:07 which is destroy oligarchy, destroy corruption.
422 00:23:25
423 00:23:26 Be careful.
424 00:23:27 - He was one of the most famous actor
425 00:23:30 not just in Ukraine, of all territory
426 00:23:32 of the Soviet Union.
427 00:23:34 He not be an actor who is sitting and waiting,
428 00:23:38 what happened around him.
429 00:23:40 He was producer. He was director.
430 00:23:44 - Whoo-hoo!
431 00:24:09
432 00:24:11 - The choice is very simple, either or.
433 00:24:13 Zelensky is hope.
434 00:24:15 - Sometimes he is not very well-prepared.
435 00:24:17 - He's really trying.
436 00:24:18 It's just, like, not his role.
437 00:24:20 - I mean, we don't know what he thinks
438 00:24:22 about almost anything. - Well, indeed.
439 00:24:24 - Test out the policies in the TV show.
440 00:24:26 See if they bump, you know, and implement them.
441 00:24:27 - Yes.
442 00:24:29
443 00:24:32 - Zelensky came in,
444 00:24:34 a political novice, supposedly,
445 00:24:35 but I think he ran an excellent campaign.
446 00:24:37 You know, his themes were, "I'm going to fight corruption.
447 00:24:39 "I'm going to grow the economy.
448 00:24:40 "We're going to stop the war with Russia,
449 00:24:42 and we're going to get our territory back."
450 00:24:51 - We are living in the country
451 00:24:53 in which all the presidents
452 00:24:55 was from some politic elite.
453 00:24:58 I've been not sure that it can be possible,
454 00:25:02 but I was sure about him.
455 00:25:04 Absolutely.
456 00:25:05
457 00:25:09 - A political earthquake took place in Ukraine this weekend.
458 00:25:13 On Sunday an electorate sick of the status quo
459 00:25:16 voted overwhelmingly for a political satirist.
460 00:25:49
461 00:26:03 - We were meeting with people every day
462 00:26:05 while waiting for it all to line up
463 00:26:07 to meet with the president.
464 00:26:08 Between people on the street,
465 00:26:10 people in bars and restaurants,
466 00:26:12 people from all walks of life,
467 00:26:13 I don't think we found anybody
468 00:26:15 who said, "This is the guy."
469 00:26:18 Did you vote for him?
470 00:26:22 - Were you a fan of "Servant of the People"?
471 00:26:26 - I think a lot of people who voted for them
472 00:26:29 were also confused,
473 00:26:30 and they were choosing, like, from lesser evil.
474 00:26:33 - I didn't vote for him,
475 00:26:35 and I was very skeptical about him.
476 00:26:37 He did belong to Russian world.
477 00:26:39 He worked and made money in Russia.
478 00:26:43 I think that for a long time,
479 00:26:46 he expected that he could find some understanding.
480 00:27:07 - Who is Zelensky to you?
481 00:27:10 - He's the president, you know?
482 00:27:12 I don't vote for him, because for me,
483 00:27:16 president in Ukraine must be a man with the balls.
484 00:27:20 Because when we have president which want to speak
485 00:27:25 with the Russians about the peace,
486 00:27:28 what the fuck, man?
487 00:27:29 Russians don't care about peace.
488 00:27:31 - How old were each of you when you went to fight?
489 00:27:35 - I was 27. - 35.
490 00:27:36 - What led you to it?
491 00:27:38 - My father was born in Crimea.
492 00:27:39 My mother lived in Donetsk.
493 00:27:42 And Crimea and Donetsk now is occupied by Russians.
494 00:27:46 So I don't want Russians in my house.
495 00:27:49 Our neighbors, fucking neighbors.
496 00:27:51 - Da, fucking neighbors.
497 00:27:53 Fucking neighbors.
498 00:27:55 - We're currently in this situation
499 00:27:56 where there's a major Russian buildup.
500 00:27:59 - We live with this for 7 1/2 years.
501 00:28:03 We understand that they can go to war at us.
502 00:28:07 So maybe for United citizens,
503 00:28:09 it's like, you know... [gasps]
504 00:28:11 For Ukrainians, it's like, "Okay, we know, yeah."
505 00:28:15 When your enemy is Russian,
506 00:28:17 you must be fucking tough guy.
507 00:28:20 And it's a time when president
508 00:28:23 must, mm, do some difficult decisions.
509 00:28:30 - More now on our top national story.
510 00:28:32 The whistleblower
511 00:28:33 at the center of the impeachment inquiry
512 00:28:35 by the House of Representatives alleged
513 00:28:37 that President Trump abused the power of his office.
514 00:28:40 - President repeatedly urged
515 00:28:41 Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky
516 00:28:43 to investigate his political rival.
517 00:28:45 - Allegations of a quid pro quo,
518 00:28:47 that U.S. president Donald Trump
519 00:28:49 made military aid to Ukraine
520 00:28:51 dependent on the country digging up dirt
521 00:28:53 on Trump's political opponent.
522 00:28:59 - It is improper for the president of the United States
523 00:29:01 to demand a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen
524 00:29:05 and a political opponent.
525 00:29:06 We missed a huge opportunity
526 00:29:07 because of the Ukrainian scandal
527 00:29:09 to work with Zelensky.
528 00:29:10 And also, those moments indicated to Putin
529 00:29:14 that there was an opportunity here.
530 00:29:15 You don't have to worry about the U.S. government
531 00:29:18 coming down on you like a hammer.
532 00:29:19 This is a wedge issue.
533 00:29:21 We could separate, you know, the parties,
534 00:29:23 the bipartisan support.
535 00:29:24 If we didn't have that,
536 00:29:26 maybe we could have warned off Russia's aggression.
537 00:29:29 - I can see you're angry with President Trump.
538 00:29:32 Maybe a little bit, huh?
539 00:29:35 - A little bit? [chuckles]
540 00:29:38 - Zelensky is incredibly careful.
541 00:29:40 And, I mean, at that point, you can tell he understands
542 00:29:43 that there's a huge trap here,
543 00:29:46 and he very carefully walks around it.
544 00:29:50 And then in December of 2019
545 00:29:52 there's a summit meeting in Paris.
546 00:29:54 President Macron of France, Chancellor Merkel of Germany,
547 00:29:57 they're there with Putin and Zelensky,
548 00:29:58 tried to mediate a solution to the conflict in Donbas.
549 00:30:09 - I think Putin kind of thought
550 00:30:10 he could play Zelensky,
551 00:30:12 but he challenged Putin in a way that I think
552 00:30:14 Putin was kind of surprised about.
553 00:30:54 - How does this play out now?
554 00:30:56 - Now we have the same Putin,
555 00:30:59 but we have absolutely different Ukraine
556 00:31:01 and absolutely different mood in your country.
557 00:31:05 - While Zelensky had coalesced
558 00:31:07 a new centrism in Ukraine,
559 00:31:09 the United States had fallen into
560 00:31:11 a populist lap dance of extremes.
561 00:31:14 We'd all been feeling the unimaginatively toxic
562 00:31:17 divisiveness at home,
563 00:31:19 so to see Ukraine's vibrant, young,
564 00:31:21 and united democracy downrage
565 00:31:23 of Russian tyranny was chilling.
566 00:31:44 - If Putin goes full-strength forward
567 00:31:47 using conventional weapons,
568 00:31:48 is Ukraine ready?
569 00:31:50
570 00:31:53
571 00:32:10
572 00:32:14
573 00:32:23
574 00:33:17 - I want protect my country, my mom, my family.
575 00:33:21 To protect democracy is really important to everyone.
576 00:33:25 All Ukrainians, we all is strong.
577 00:33:28 And I know that our future is great and big
578 00:33:31 for everyone Ukrainian.
579 00:33:59 - In a 2005 address to the Russian Federation
580 00:34:02 Putin said, "We are a free nation,
581 00:34:05 "and our place in the modern world
582 00:34:07 "will be defined only by how successful
583 00:34:09 and strong we are."
584 00:34:11 His statement played out as mockery
585 00:34:13 in the absolutely authoritarianism
586 00:34:15 he'd adopted in the years that followed.
587 00:34:18 But its true embodiment was happening
588 00:34:20 in the sovereign Ukraine.
589 00:34:22 And we could feel its simmering unification.
590 00:34:25 It was a different kind of air I was breathing.
591 00:34:27
592 00:34:48
593 00:34:51
594 00:34:53
595 00:34:55
596 00:35:43
597 00:35:47 - So fucking great.
598 00:35:48
599 00:35:51
600 00:35:54
601 00:35:56 - There has been a dramatic and worrying shift
602 00:35:58 in Russia's readiness to attack in the past 48 hours.
603 00:36:02 Russia has now moved rocket launchers
604 00:36:04 and long-range artillery into firing positions.
605 00:36:09 - Vladimir Putin, in a dramatic escalation,
606 00:36:11 announcing tonight he's sending Russian troops
607 00:36:13 into eastern Ukraine.
608 00:36:40
609 00:36:47 - Hello.
610 00:36:49 - Fernando, we have a camera on you.
611 00:36:50 - Okay.
612 00:36:52 - What was your impression
613 00:36:53 of Putin's speech the other night?
614 00:37:02 - But what is your human perception
615 00:37:06 of his state of mind?
616 00:37:12
617 00:37:17 - Up until last night I had some faith
618 00:37:20 that maybe there is some plan that Putin had in his mind,
619 00:37:24 bust just on his demeanor
620 00:37:27 he may not be rational,
621 00:37:28 and maybe we should seriously consider the fact
622 00:37:30 that there's a madman in Europe again.
623 00:37:33 - I don't think he's an irrational man.
624 00:37:34 I don't think it was a crazy speech.
625 00:37:35 - He challenged Ukraine's right to exist.
626 00:37:37 - He makes all sorts of absurd assertions,
627 00:37:41 like, you know, "Ukrainians are attacking
628 00:37:43 Russian soil" and that sort of thing,
629 00:37:45 but in some ways I think the point that he's making is that,
630 00:37:48 "You Americans behave this way for decades already.
631 00:37:52 And now I'm gonna behave this way myself."
632 00:37:55 And I think Zelensky has a problem,
633 00:37:56 because he's the target.
634 00:37:58 They want a regime change here.
635 00:38:06 - People would never support some puppet--
636 00:38:07 - No, no, no. - No.
637 00:38:08 - Isn't it ridiculous, though,
638 00:38:09 that they got to this point because of their hubris.
639 00:38:12 Zelensky comes to power saying,
640 00:38:14 "I can make a deal.
641 00:38:16 "I'm not particularly wedded to any ideological position.
642 00:38:19 "Language, politics, don't care about it.
643 00:38:21 "Ukrainization, don't care about it.
644 00:38:23 "I just want peace.
645 00:38:24 I want everybody in Ukraine to live like what they want."
646 00:38:26 He says, "Let's have a dialogue."
647 00:38:28 None of it works.
648 00:38:29 Putin says, "Meh, meh, no, no deal."
649 00:38:32 I--you know-- - "You're a nationalist."
650 00:38:33 - Yeah, "You're a nationalist."
651 00:38:34 And he keeps calling him a Nazi Jew.
652 00:38:36 Putin kept calling him a nationalist so many times
653 00:38:38 that ultimately it's like, "Okay, fine.
654 00:38:41 NATO, I'm gonna speak Ukrainian in public all the time."
655 00:38:44 'Cause there's nothing that the people in the Kremlin
656 00:38:47 are willing to do in order to make a dialogue happen.
657 00:38:50 - Isn't it a story of, like Russia's policy
658 00:38:52 against Ukraine the last eight years?
659 00:38:53 Every single things they've done
660 00:38:54 has completely backfired on them.
661 00:38:56 - Totally. - They thought they'd launch
662 00:38:57 a war to split this country apart,
663 00:38:59 and it actually unified the country.
664 00:39:00 And I think in my interpretation last night is,
665 00:39:03 this is about vengeance.
666 00:39:04 He's angry.
667 00:39:06 This country wants to divorce itself from Russia forever,
668 00:39:08 and he wants it back.
669 00:39:10 - Yeah, and there's this ideology in Russia
670 00:39:12 Slovak people can't have a democracy,
671 00:39:14 and, you know, Russians actually believe it,
672 00:39:16 and then, if, you know, if they have something
673 00:39:17 that's successful here, it is an existential threat to them.
674 00:39:46 - We're looking at something now,
675 00:39:48 we're gonna have air power, missiles, cyberattacks,
676 00:39:50 jamming GPS.
677 00:39:52 It's--
678 00:39:53 - If it happens like that.
679 00:39:55 - But I think if--if--
680 00:39:57 - I think the chances are up to 10% of--
681 00:39:59 - Ooh.
682 00:40:00 - I say, for me, it's 50/50 right now.
683 00:40:02 - 50/50 of Kyiv on fire. - Yes.
684 00:40:05 - I mean, I just think the U.S. government
685 00:40:07 isn't worrying about these things for nothing.
686 00:40:09
687 00:40:10 - Have you been to Russia?
688 00:40:12
689 00:40:17 - In 2001 Jack Nicholson and I had a film
690 00:40:20 at the Moscow Film Festival.
691 00:40:24 That night has become a deviant memory.
692 00:40:26
693 00:40:31
694 00:40:34
695 00:40:37 - Rising tension has prompted the United States
696 00:40:39 to remove its personnel from the U.S. embassy in Ukraine.
697 00:40:43 - The U.S. State Department
698 00:40:44 issuing its highest level, level 4,
699 00:40:47 "do not travel" advisory.
700 00:40:48
701 00:40:50 - It felt increasingly like Putin's special operation
702 00:40:54 was coming our way.
703 00:41:04 - The U.S. is rushing more military aid to the country,
704 00:41:08 the first shipment
705 00:41:09 of a new $200 million package arriving,
706 00:41:11 including ammunition.
707 00:41:13 - You are likely in the last few hours
708 00:41:16 of peace on the European continent
709 00:41:18 for a long time to come.
710 00:41:20 - Vladimir Putin has just addressed
711 00:41:23 the Russian people moments ago announcing what Putin called
712 00:41:26 the start of a military special operation,
713 00:41:28 in his words, to demilitarize Ukraine.
714 00:41:32 - We may be witnessing now what is the beginning
715 00:41:34 of the bloodiest conflict in Europe since World War II.
716 00:41:39 - Russian president Vladimir Putin
717 00:41:42 has 150,000-plus troops near the border.
718 00:41:56 - Russia has got forces effectively
719 00:41:57 surrounding Ukraine on three sides,
720 00:41:59 by land and sea and air.
721 00:42:18 - We were nearing the end of our scheduled week in Kyiv
722 00:42:20 when we got the called we'd been waiting for.
723 00:42:22 It was February 23, 2022,
724 00:42:25 when our first in-person meeting
725 00:42:28 with President Zelensky would happen.
726 00:42:32 We did not bring our cameras.
727 00:42:33 I myself am suspicious of trusts built
728 00:42:36 on electronic communications.
729 00:42:38 I wanted the president to have an opportunity
730 00:42:40 of sizing me up in person before asking him to commit
731 00:42:43 to participate in our film.
732 00:42:46 By the end of our meeting he did indeed commit to us
733 00:42:49 bringing out cameras on the following day.
734 00:42:52 On any other day I might have been ecstatic.
735 00:42:55 But this was not anyone's average day on planet Earth.
736 00:42:59 And both this warm, young president I'd just met
737 00:43:02 and his nation were in
738 00:43:04 a heart-wrenching degree of danger.
739 00:43:07
740 00:43:09 - Sean, I just talked to the security guy.
741 00:43:12 We have to leave the country in the morning.
742 00:43:14 Yeah, so we'll try to meet the president tomorrow.
743 00:43:17 - There's a big difference in my conversation
744 00:43:19 about leaving one day early versus leaving tomorrow.
745 00:43:23 I don't--I'm not prepared to leave tomorrow.
746 00:43:31 Who do you think you are, Geraldo Rivera?
747 00:43:34
748 00:43:37
749 00:43:43 - The war in Ukraine has begun.
750 00:43:46 - Three explosions rocked the capital of Kyiv this morning.
751 00:43:50 A rocket hit an apartment building
752 00:43:52 starting a fire.
753 00:43:53 - When was the last time you heard something?
754 00:43:57 - Like, that was, like, a half an hour ago.
755 00:44:01 I heard, like, the sounds of explosions.
756 00:44:03 - If we need them at some point,
757 00:44:05 who's providing vests, helmets, and all that shit?
758 00:44:07 - Peter. - Okay.
759 00:44:09 - I mean, we just got a call that there was--
760 00:44:12 - They had two impacts in town.
761 00:44:14
762 00:44:15
763 00:44:18 They're hitting the airport. - No.
764 00:44:20 - Yeah. - Fucking A.
765 00:44:22 - Airspace shut down.
766 00:44:40 - I agree.
767 00:44:42
768 00:44:46 - What are we doing?
769 00:44:47 - Just going over to the InterContinental,
770 00:44:49 find out what's going on, because nobody here
771 00:44:50 seems to know what's going on.
772 00:44:53 No maps, nothing. They'll have stuff...
773 00:44:59 - Fuck it.
774 00:45:01 - We're just going to go to the InterContinental,
775 00:45:03 that hotel right there. - Right. Right.
776 00:45:04 - To that? - Just the hotel right there.
777 00:45:06 - To that hotel that is on the opposite side?
778 00:45:07 - Yeah.
779 00:45:14
780 00:45:17
781 00:45:48 - And it says, like, the recent rocket attacks--
782 00:45:51 - Rocket attacks?
783 00:45:53 I hear ya. I hear ya.
784 00:45:56 - Here. - Thanks.
785 00:45:58 I just heard from Robert O'Brien.
786 00:46:04 He said, "Get the fuck out."
787 00:46:05
788 00:46:07 - The U.S. did hear from the president
789 00:46:09 of Ukraine earlier tonight.
790 00:46:11 He's there. He has not fled his country.
791 00:46:13 - He obviously is determined to say.
792 00:46:36
793 00:46:38 - Your attention, please.
794 00:46:40 There is second-level threat in country.
795 00:46:43 We'll leave upon you the decision
796 00:46:45 to leave the hotel or stay.
797 00:46:48 We'll help to organize this at a point in the hotel.
798 00:46:51 In a crisis, you will get the shelter.
799 00:46:54 In the announcement of this threat,
800 00:46:57 use stairwell down to the lobby.
801 00:46:59 Follow staff instructions.
802 00:47:01 You will be leaded to the shelter place.
803 00:47:03 - The air raid sirens had escorted us
804 00:47:04 into the day break of the 24th.
805 00:47:07 The modern country was suddenly at war.
806 00:47:10 It was a sad, surreal, and shocking day.
807 00:47:14 But admittedly, one also surrenders
808 00:47:16 to some exhilaration.
809 00:47:18 It keeps you awake when sleep is a distant memory.
810 00:47:21 And though completely unexpected,
811 00:47:23 the president's office confirmed
812 00:47:25 that the president would still keep our appointment.
813 00:47:29
814 00:47:31 - President Biden unleashed new sanctions against Russia.
815 00:47:35 - This aggression cannot go unanswered.
816 00:47:37 America stands up to bullies. We stand up for freedom.
817 00:47:41 - President Biden has said again and again
818 00:47:44 no U.S. troops will be involved in this war.
819 00:47:47 - I assumed that journalist and quasi-journalists
820 00:47:50 around the world would scoff,
821 00:47:52 but there was not one cell in my body
822 00:47:54 willing to prepare a question for the president,
823 00:47:57 not on a day like this.
824 00:48:00 I hoped the film would be useful.
825 00:48:02 That's about it.
826 00:48:04
827 00:48:36 - This is the center of the universe
828 00:48:39 for democracy today, right now.
829 00:49:07 - Okay, we have ten minutes for that.
830 00:49:09
831 00:49:12
832 00:49:20
833 00:49:28 - We knew by that time about the Russian commandos
834 00:49:31 that had taken the airport.
835 00:49:33 And that was only about 15 kilometers away.
836 00:49:35
837 00:49:37 There was talk about how long it would take
838 00:49:39 for the Russians to completely encircle Kyiv.
839 00:49:43 It was imminent.
840 00:49:48
841 00:49:59 - Hi.
842 00:50:04 - I'm well.
843 00:51:04
844 00:51:12
845 00:51:50 - To be here at this time, in this country,
846 00:51:52 with you, with your countrymen,
847 00:51:54 I mean, there's so much inspiration to be had here.
848 00:52:32 - Where does it end? I mean, what does he want?
849 00:52:33 What does he--what is the--
850 00:53:29 - Rosa arrange this. - Yes. Right.
851 00:53:30
852 00:53:38 - Please don't say you were in the bunker.
853 00:53:41 - No.
854 00:53:42 - You say only Office of President.
855 00:53:43 - Okay.
856 00:53:49 Oh, man.
857 00:53:52 - Right. No, we're the good guys.
858 00:53:59 - Yeah.
859 00:54:02 - Yeah.
860 00:54:06 - Yeah.
861 00:54:14 Bye-bye.
862 00:54:22 - Yeah.
863 00:54:29 Who's the Zoom with?
864 00:54:31 - With Ksenia Sobchak--Russia-- who's staying in Moscow.
865 00:54:33 - Okay, but is it on TV or just a person?
866 00:54:35 - On TV. - You think it's TV?
867 00:54:37 - Yes. - Russian TV?
868 00:54:38 - Russian TV. - Okay.
869 00:54:40 All right, let me tell him.
870 00:54:58 - Thank you for coming out to our broadcast.
871 00:55:00 Sean, tell us, please, where are you, first of all?
872 00:55:05 - I am in Kyiv.
873 00:55:06 - Why you're in Kyiv?
874 00:55:09 Were you aware of the threat
875 00:55:11 you're facing there?
876 00:55:13 - Well, I think all reasonable people were considering
877 00:55:15 all possibilities.
878 00:55:17 - As far as I know, as far as I understand,
879 00:55:20 today you met with President Zelensky.
880 00:55:24 What were the things you were discussing?
881 00:55:27 - What an unimaginable position--
882 00:55:31 it is my thought-- that any man or woman
883 00:55:35 in this world could be in.
884 00:55:37 I believe with everything in my heart
885 00:55:41 that this is a man of love,
886 00:55:42 intelligence, and courage,
887 00:55:47 and I still believe love is proving itself
888 00:55:52 to be the most powerful weapon on Earth.
889 00:55:58 - Protests tonight across Russia
890 00:56:00 in more than 50 cities.
891 00:56:03 - How much resistance is there to President Putin?
892 00:56:09 - These Russians
893 00:56:10 need to be the example of peace
894 00:56:13 for the rest of the world.
895 00:56:14 This is the height of that moment
896 00:56:17 in my lifetime, certainly,
897 00:56:19 and I think we can all assume, perhaps, ever.
898 00:56:23
899 00:56:32
900 00:57:01 Okay, any questions? - Yes.
901 00:57:04 Is there a weapon in the bunch? Where is it?
902 00:57:07
903 00:58:10 - Oh, my God.
904 00:58:20
905 00:58:31 - Russia's brutal war on Ukraine
906 00:58:33 begins its second day.
907 00:58:34
908 00:58:43 - Right now, I--
909 00:58:44 we've been, like,
910 00:58:46 for the last 12 hours, we've been on the road
911 00:58:50 kind of zigzagging to get to the Polish border
912 00:58:52 going a foot at a time in cars on different roads,
913 00:58:56 because they bombed out a bridge on one,
914 00:58:59 and it's just a lot of, you know--
915 00:59:02 but I'm completely fine.
916 00:59:04 And we got to shoot with the president.
917 00:59:07 Just moving.
918 00:59:09 - Ukrainian president Zelensky
919 00:59:12 remains in the capital
920 00:59:13 despite threats from the Kremlin
921 00:59:15 against his young family.
922 00:59:23 - Reports emerged the Americans had offered an evacuation,
923 00:59:27 to which Mr. Zelensky replied...
924 00:59:56 - How many kilometers away are we, 20?
925 00:59:59 - About 28.
926 01:00:00 - Hey. Yeah, so we're just going to abandon this.
927 01:00:03 There's no order to it.
928 01:00:06
929 01:00:08 - Let's see if there's a dirt road
930 01:00:09 behind those trees.
931 01:00:34 - All right, this is it? This is all we're taking?
932 01:00:50 You're going to take that backpack and your other bag.
933 01:00:51 - I got it. - You need to put the backpack
934 01:00:53 on properly.
935 01:00:54 - Hey. How you doing?
936 01:00:55 - Hey. How are you?
937 01:01:00 - It is, man. It is. It is.
938 01:01:02 My wife's devastated.
939 01:01:05 - It's unbelievable. It's surreal.
940 01:01:06 - It's crazy.
941 01:01:08 - Come on, Mick.
942 01:01:10 - Now they're just picking up everyone.
943 01:01:12 - Yeah.
944 01:01:13 - I mean, it's unreal what's happening.
945 01:01:17 - Yeah, man. Mickey. - Yeah?
946 01:01:24 - All right, man. - All right, man, cool.
947 01:01:26
948 01:01:29
949 01:01:31 - While the men of Ukraine ages 18 to 60
950 01:01:34 were compelled to stay in country
951 01:01:36 and get into the fight,
952 01:01:38 women and children dominantly occupied these miles and miles
953 01:01:42 of cars inching their way toward the Polish border.
954 01:01:46 These heroic women set off to a different front line
955 01:01:50 and the heartbreak of husbands, fathers,
956 01:01:53 brothers, sons, and businesses
957 01:01:55 all left behind.
958 01:01:57 They fled for their children's safety,
959 01:02:00 many without any certain destination or support.
960 01:02:07 Just three days earlier, they were you and me.
961 01:02:12 [air raid siren blaring]
962 01:02:13 - War has returned to Europe.
963 01:02:15 - Explosions and the exodus are only the beginning.
964 01:02:22 all: Stand with Ukraine!
965 01:02:23 - The Russian invasion of Ukraine
966 01:02:25 continues to spark an outcry.
967 01:02:27
968 01:02:29 - People around the globe are rallying
969 01:02:31 in solidarity with Ukraine.
970 01:02:36 - My feeling is,
971 01:02:38 I'd rather fail, you know, trying in my little way
972 01:02:40 to be a uniter, you know, by going and talking to somebody
973 01:02:45 who's already labeled me full screen
974 01:02:47 the enemy of the state.
975 01:02:49 - And finally tonight, the enemy of the state.
976 01:02:50 This week, actor, activist,
977 01:02:52 and all-around very angry man
978 01:02:54 Sean Penn takes the honors.
979 01:02:56 You are this week's enemy of the state.
980 01:02:59 - I flip between Fox and CNN.
981 01:03:01 And, like, each time, it's like,
982 01:03:03 "Sean Penn's going on 'Hannity.'"
983 01:03:05 - The least we can do to honor what they're doing is try.
984 01:03:12 It was important for him to get the word out
985 01:03:15 about what he had seen, what he had heard,
986 01:03:17 what he had experienced.
987 01:03:18 - It's a pleasure.
988 01:03:19 Thanks for everything. You've been great.
989 01:03:21
990 01:03:24
991 01:03:27 - If you were on this set, 99 out of 100 times,
992 01:03:30 we probably would be in full disagreement, right?
993 01:03:33 - No question about that.
994 01:03:34 I don't trust you.聽
995 01:03:36 Is there a reason you didn't trust me?
996 01:03:38 - Yeah, there's a lot of reasons I don't trust you,
997 01:03:40 but I don't think that I've got time
998 01:03:42 to indulge my lack of trust,
999 01:03:45 which it becomes a petty thing
1000 01:03:47 as people and babies are being vaporized.
1001 01:03:49 - A lot of the world didn't think that Putin would do it.
1002 01:03:52 I did think he would.
1003 01:03:53 So you get there.
1004 01:03:55 You're interviewing Zelensky at this time.
1005 01:03:57 Did he see this coming?
1006 01:03:58 Did he believe that this was real?
1007 01:04:00 - Yes.
1008 01:04:01 He is the face of something that you see
1009 01:04:04 in all the Ukrainians we saw and talked to
1010 01:04:07 whether they were in uniform, out of uniform,
1011 01:04:10 schoolteachers, even children,
1012 01:04:13 this extraordinary courage that's come up.
1013 01:04:16 It is clear to me that the Ukrainians will win this.
1014 01:04:20 The question is, at what cost?
1015 01:04:22 - In this buildup
1016 01:04:24 I thought NATO countries and Western European countries
1017 01:04:27 and the U.S. should have been arming
1018 01:04:30 the Ukrainians for that moment.
1019 01:04:32 - This could happen tomorrow also.
1020 01:04:34 We could get F-15s, F-16s in.
1021 01:04:37 Then they can fly those with three weeks of training.
1022 01:04:39 They can fly the MiGs and the Sus now.
1023 01:04:41 - Poland offered--what was it-- 28 or 29 MiGs.
1024 01:04:43 - Yeah.
1025 01:04:45 - Every report says Joe Biden vetoed that.
1026 01:04:47 Forget politics.
1027 01:04:49 - Not everybody says he vetoed it.
1028 01:04:50 - Whoever vetoed it, Ronald Reagan had a doctrine.
1029 01:04:53 And the doctrine was in the case of the former Soviet Union
1030 01:04:56 invading Afghanistan in the '80s,
1031 01:04:58 he supplied Stinger missiles to the mujahideen.
1032 01:05:01 I support that doctrine.
1033 01:05:03 I support the Trump doctrine that,
1034 01:05:05 if you're gonna fight a war you push buttons
1035 01:05:08 using new military weaponry and technology,
1036 01:05:11 and you bomb the shit out of--
1037 01:05:12 - Okay, but I would argue... - Hang on.
1038 01:05:13 - You've made this political,
1039 01:05:15 and now give me a chance to respond to it.
1040 01:05:16 - Hang on. I will.
1041 01:05:17 - Because I'm not talking about anybody's doctrine
1042 01:05:19 that got us into a lot of other crap.
1043 01:05:21 - Republicans and Democrats, they're all gung ho.
1044 01:05:24 They start these wars.
1045 01:05:26 They don't fight them to win them.
1046 01:05:28 - We--we absolutely agree on that.
1047 01:05:29 - And fight the war to win it. - That's right.
1048 01:05:31 - And that means to defeat Russa--
1049 01:05:33 - Or let them fight it to win it, because they will.
1050 01:05:35 - Well, that's what I'm saying.
1051 01:05:36 Let the Ukrainians fight themselves.
1052 01:05:38 - Yeah, we agree. You and I can argue all day.
1053 01:05:40 But I look at you, and I think you believe
1054 01:05:41 in this country in your way.
1055 01:05:43 I believe in it in mine. - 100%
1056 01:05:45 - When you step into a country of such incredible unity,
1057 01:05:49 you realize what we've all been missing.
1058 01:05:52 - You'll never talk politics with me on this show, will you?
1059 01:05:54 - We--we've all got to figure out--
1060 01:05:55 - Wasn't that bad.
1061 01:05:57 Do you trust me now more than you did?
1062 01:05:59 - There's a lot of physical therapy necessary
1063 01:06:01 after a big car accident.
1064 01:06:04 You don't get it all done in a day.
1065 01:06:05 - Our prayers are with the innocent,
1066 01:06:07 and I wish you luck in helping them.
1067 01:06:09 - And the heroes who are fighting for them.
1068 01:06:11 - Next time we'll battle over Hugo Ch谩vez or something fun.
1069 01:06:14 - That's an interesting conversation.
1070 01:06:16 - All right. - All right.
1071 01:06:17 - Thank you for being with us.
1072 01:06:19 - Former Speaker of the House, Fox News contributor
1073 01:06:20 Newt Gingrich is with us.
1074 01:06:22 Your thoughts on the conversation and more.
1075 01:06:25 - That may have been one of the most impactful
1076 01:06:29 and amazing interviews of your entire career.
1077 01:06:33 - I'm going to talk to Sean Hannity,
1078 01:06:35 to Fox News, MSNBC.
1079 01:06:38 I'm going to go do talks at presidential libraries.
1080 01:06:41 We're going to get this message out
1081 01:06:42 and help get what Ukraine needs.
1082 01:06:43 - You called and said get the hell out,
1083 01:06:46 get the F out, whatever. - Yeah, yeah.
1084 01:06:48 There's going to be a serious attempt
1085 01:06:50 at a quick decapitation strike with the Russian paratroopers.
1086 01:06:53 - The Ukrainians had something to say about that, obviously.
1087 01:06:56 - Every fundraiser I've been to, every event I've been to
1088 01:06:59 for the last several months,
1089 01:07:00 people are up in arms over Ukraine.
1090 01:07:02 - I mean, when we do the stories,
1091 01:07:04 the ratings go through the roof.
1092 01:07:05 - Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
1093 01:07:07 our distinguished panel.
1094 01:07:08
1095 01:07:10 - It's amazing to see the Ukrainians
1096 01:07:12 and the resilience.
1097 01:07:14 The Ukrainians are fighting and fighting hard.
1098 01:07:16 And you think Ukraine can win this.
1099 01:07:19 - I'd go further, and, you know, I wager everything.
1100 01:07:23 The Ukrainians are going to win.
1101 01:07:25 And what we're going to be doing is saying,
1102 01:07:27 "How many lives did we let them lose?"
1103 01:07:30 - You know, in Zelensky, this is a leader
1104 01:07:32 who is pretty remarkable in this moment.
1105 01:07:35 - Part of what makes him so particularly extraordinary
1106 01:07:40 is that in that courage, he's the face
1107 01:07:41 of so many Ukrainians.
1108 01:07:44 This is leadership.
1109 01:07:46 No one on the planet's been tested
1110 01:07:48 in leadership like this one human being.
1111 01:07:51 - Mr. President, what is it... - Tonight
1112 01:07:52 a world-exclusive interview. - What is the situation?
1113 01:07:54 - Thank you so much for talking.
1114 01:07:56 - Thank you very much.
1115 01:07:58 - If you do win, will Vladimir Putin survive?
1116 01:08:04 - You know, Ronald Reagan once said,
1117 01:08:06 "I don't know how anyone could have held this position
1118 01:08:09 without having had acting ability."
1119 01:08:11 And he said, "The ability to be a good actor
1120 01:08:13 is to be yourself when the camera comes on."
1121 01:08:15
1122 01:08:17 When Zelensky got elected, a lot of people
1123 01:08:20 made the comparisons to Ronald Reagan.
1124 01:08:21 And, "He's an actor, and he's not prepared."
1125 01:08:23 And yet Zelensky is just himself,
1126 01:08:26 when the camera's on, when it's off.
1127 01:08:27 He is who he is.
1128 01:08:30 This moment right now, he is perfect.
1129 01:08:34 - The Ukrainian president has been praised
1130 01:08:36 as a master of social media.
1131 01:08:38 - I mean, one thing that's very important to remember
1132 01:08:40 is, he is a performer.
1133 01:08:41 - Social media has allowed him
1134 01:08:43 to dominate the information war.
1135 01:08:45 - He has the bully pulpit now.
1136 01:08:47 People feel comfortable that he has a vision now.
1137 01:08:51 - All three of you really being versed
1138 01:08:52 in this over time,
1139 01:08:54 take me back before the invasion.
1140 01:08:56 - 1999, I had an opportunity to do a project in Ukraine,
1141 01:09:00 and I was in Ukraine until a month ago,
1142 01:09:01 two days before the war.
1143 01:09:03 - I was in 2008 when the second invasion
1144 01:09:05 happened in Georgia.
1145 01:09:07 We got in, and we were lucky we got out.
1146 01:09:09 - I was in Iraq in 2007, 2008 during the surge.
1147 01:09:12 - So I was the main interpreter for Lech Walesa.
1148 01:09:14 So I was all over Central and Eastern Europe.
1149 01:09:18 Yeah, so I've seen a lot of stuff.
1150 01:09:21 And I've seen regression.
1151 01:09:24 And it breaks my heart.
1152 01:09:25 I was sent twice...
1153 01:09:27 - What does the healing look like
1154 01:09:29 between Russians and Ukrainians?
1155 01:09:32 - Unless they kick the Russians out
1156 01:09:35 or the Russians take off
1157 01:09:37 and literally give everything back to the Ukrainians
1158 01:09:40 that would be perhaps the beginning,
1159 01:09:45 except when you look at the number of dead civilians
1160 01:09:48 and children and women and old people
1161 01:09:51 that the Russians, they've been killing.
1162 01:09:52
1163 01:09:55 - Go this way, guys.
1164 01:09:56
1165 01:10:07 - Thank you very much for talking with us.
1166 01:10:11 What is your assessment?
1167 01:10:35 - Taking Ukraine may come easy to the overwhelming Russian...
1168 01:10:38 - Like just come out of an intelligence
1169 01:10:40 with a Western official.
1170 01:10:41 Ukraine is in a battle for its life right now.
1171 01:10:44 - Ukraine's capital city of Kyiv
1172 01:10:46 might soon fall to Russian forces.
1173 01:10:47 - Russia's actions are outrageous.
1174 01:10:50 Every hour of inaction now is a threat to the lives
1175 01:10:53 of Ukrainians.
1176 01:10:55 Ukraine loses the war, there will be no Ukraine.
1177 01:10:58 And when stakes are so high for us,
1178 01:11:01 of course we will keep fighting.
1179 01:11:03 Whatever it takes.
1180 01:11:04
1181 01:11:06
1182 01:11:07 - The people are mobilizing.
1183 01:11:09 - People signing up to fight.
1184 01:11:11 People bringing in supplies,
1185 01:11:13 anything they think that will help
1186 01:11:15 the Ukrainian war effort.
1187 01:11:17 - We never seek to leave.
1188 01:11:19 This our homes.
1189 01:11:20 We defend our children, family,
1190 01:11:23 our buildings, our city, and our future,
1191 01:11:26 future of Ukraine.
1192 01:11:27
1193 01:11:29 - Can Ukraine outright win this war?
1194 01:11:30 - Ukrainian resistance
1195 01:11:32 is having a huge battlefield impact.
1196 01:11:36 - There's a recording between Ukrainian
1197 01:11:38 and Russian forces.
1198 01:11:43 - Snake Island, and appears to have been
1199 01:11:45 attacked by a Russian warship.
1200 01:11:54 - The man behind those words
1201 01:11:56 was awarded a medal for his bravery.
1202 01:11:58 - Now we've seen impressive gains
1203 01:12:00 by the Ukrainian army.
1204 01:12:03 - Russia's flagship vessel, the "Moskva."
1205 01:12:05 - Ukraine says it hit the ship with cruise missiles
1206 01:12:08 launched from the coast.
1207 01:12:09 - President Volodymyr Zelensky
1208 01:12:11 visited at extreme risk.
1209 01:12:13 - Tonight a stunning breakthrough.
1210 01:12:15 - How are the Ukrainians pulling this off?
1211 01:12:18
1212 01:12:31
1213 01:12:33 - Nobody believed in us.
1214 01:12:39 - "Oh, they're going-- you know, they will fail."
1215 01:12:42 And now the whole world is basically watching.
1216 01:12:47 - This moment in Ukraine to represent a human phenomenon.
1217 01:13:00 Like, everyone who I was calling
1218 01:13:01 was doing something for the army.
1219 01:13:03 It was such a huge network of volunteers.
1220 01:13:05 - Ukraine is extremely united right now
1221 01:13:08 for so many of us.
1222 01:13:11 And it gives us strength,
1223 01:13:14 and that's why we are not-- we are not afraid,
1224 01:13:16 because we realize that they have to kill all of us.
1225 01:13:20
1226 01:13:25 - In Ukraine it's not difficult
1227 01:13:27 to find a great diversity in political opinion.
1228 01:13:31 Just as in the U.S. one can find
1229 01:13:33 every impassioned nationalist idea,
1230 01:13:36 every impassioned humanist idea.
1231 01:13:40 And yet they've someone found a complete recognition
1232 01:13:43 in the interdependence that allows for independence.
1233 01:13:49 It's tangible.
1234 01:13:51 - President Zelensky called on the United States
1235 01:13:54 to send more weapons.
1236 01:13:55 - They asked for heavier weapons faster.
1237 01:13:58 - The Pentagon has rejected a surprise offer from Poland
1238 01:14:02 to fly all of its MiGs to a U.S. airbase in Germany.
1239 01:14:05 - Saying it risks setting off a wider war with Russia.
1240 01:14:08 - We continue. We continue fighting.
1241 01:14:12 We just need support.
1242 01:14:14 I--I need to say to you, because you're our friends,
1243 01:14:19 that we still waiting.
1244 01:14:21 We still talking every day
1245 01:14:23 with international war leaders.
1246 01:14:25 We need some help by the weapons.
1247 01:14:29 We still, for example, waiting this jet
1248 01:14:33 from Poland. - Right.
1249 01:14:35 - Thank you, Sean. Thank you.
1250 01:14:37 Thank you very much, my friend.
1251 01:14:40 - The people and government of Poland
1252 01:14:42 had opened their hearts and borders
1253 01:14:44 to some 8 million Ukrainian refugees
1254 01:14:46 but found challenges when seeking
1255 01:14:48 to provide fighter jets.
1256 01:14:50 What did happen with the MiG proposal?
1257 01:14:53 - We don't want to act unilaterally.
1258 01:14:56 Such weapons like the jet fighters,
1259 01:14:59 it would require the NATO,
1260 01:15:01 and our collective decision was not to go
1261 01:15:05 farther with our action of delivering the MiGs.
1262 01:15:10 - Some countries make the point that Ukraine
1263 01:15:15 should only be provided with defensive weapons
1264 01:15:18 and we should not receive any offensive weapons.
1265 01:15:22 The real point is that any weapon
1266 01:15:26 that is being used by Ukrainian army
1267 01:15:29 in the territory of Ukraine is defensive by definition.
1268 01:15:32 Because we are not using it to attack anyone.
1269 01:15:35 We are using it to defend ourselves.
1270 01:15:37 We don't have the feeling that neither Poland
1271 01:15:43 or the United States are not willing
1272 01:15:45 to do something for Ukraine.
1273 01:15:48 But they do have differences in understanding
1274 01:15:51 who will assume the responsibility
1275 01:15:53 for making the decision.
1276 01:15:55 Use the bloody weapons necessary to win.
1277 01:15:59 - Ukraine needs weapon supplies.
1278 01:16:01 We need heavy artillery, armed vehicles,
1279 01:16:05 air defense systems, and combat aircraft,
1280 01:16:09 anything to repel Russian forces
1281 01:16:12 and stop their war crimes.
1282 01:16:13 Arm Ukraine now to defend freedom.
1283 01:16:17 - It's an apocalyptic vision.
1284 01:16:20 - How much more can the civilians withstand?
1285 01:16:23 - Accounts of Russian abuses are widespread.
1286 01:16:26 - We saw undeniable evidence of atrocities.
1287 01:16:30 - New fallout and outrage
1288 01:16:32 sparking more calls for a war crimes investigation.
1289 01:16:36 - I don't want to live in a world
1290 01:16:37 where a gangster with nukes gets to dictate
1291 01:16:41 what we have to live under.
1292 01:16:42 I just don't want to live in that world.
1293 01:16:43 And the Ukrainians won't live in that world.
1294 01:16:53 It's a real war. - Mm-hmm.
1295 01:16:54 - It's in real life.
1296 01:16:56 - We all thought that Kyiv was going to fall
1297 01:16:58 in two days, and now here we are.
1298 01:17:00 - Russia is aware that it's not winning this war.
1299 01:17:04 - The new narrative is being born right now
1300 01:17:07 about Ukraine,
1301 01:17:09 this narrative about very strong,
1302 01:17:11 brave, courageous country.
1303 01:17:15 - The recipe of victory
1304 01:17:17 is Ukrainian stamina
1305 01:17:19 and Western sanctions and weapons.
1306 01:17:23 These are the three elements that will make us prevail.
1307 01:17:36 - The Russians, they have been bloodied.
1308 01:17:38 - The Russians are taking a tremendous number
1309 01:17:39 of casualties,
1310 01:17:41 probably taken 70,000 or 80,000 casualties.
1311 01:17:44 - I hate to say this.
1312 01:17:45 You know, these Russian soldiers,
1313 01:17:47 17, 18, 19 years old, right?
1314 01:17:50 They're just cannon fodder.
1315 01:17:51 And they're getting blown to bits by the Ukrainians.
1316 01:17:55 You've got refrigerator trucks
1317 01:17:58 and refrigerator train wagons
1318 01:18:01 full of dead Russian soldiers,
1319 01:18:04 because Putin does not want society to see this.
1320 01:18:07 [somber music]
1321 01:18:09 - Make no mistake, while I believe they're winning,
1322 01:18:13 the longer that this war goes on,
1323 01:18:15 the more likely it is
1324 01:18:17 that it will start to fray and fracture.
1325 01:18:20 So Mr. Zelensky needs to have an outright win here
1326 01:18:23 pretty soon.
1327 01:18:28
1328 01:18:33 - I'm glad to see you, Mr. President.
1329 01:18:35 How are you holding up?
1330 01:19:14 - Thank you. - Thank you, Sean.
1331 01:19:16 All the best.
1332 01:19:18 - He looks like he's been awake since we saw him.
1333 01:19:20 - [chuckles]
1334 01:19:25 - Because the Ukrainians have performed so well,
1335 01:19:28 because the democratic world has consolidated
1336 01:19:31 with regard to sanctions
1337 01:19:32 and supporting Ukraine with weapons,
1338 01:19:34 it is not going to escalate towards a conventional war
1339 01:19:37 with NATO
1340 01:19:39 because we provided the Ukrainians with planes.
1341 01:19:42 Since before this war, I've been talking
1342 01:19:44 about giving the Ukrainians weapons to deter Russia.
1343 01:19:46 We should be able to peer around the corner
1344 01:19:49 and see how this war is going to unfold,
1345 01:19:51 the fact that we're going to have to step in
1346 01:19:52 and provide more.
1347 01:19:54 But we're going to do it too late,
1348 01:19:55 and we're going to miss opportunities
1349 01:19:56 to make this a short war.
1350 01:19:57 We're going to miss opportunities
1351 01:19:59 to reduce the human toll for Ukraine.
1352 01:20:02 We're going to miss opportunities
1353 01:20:03 to really decrease the risk for the U.S.
1354 01:20:04 with a long-war scenario.
1355 01:20:07
1356 01:20:10
1357 01:20:14
1358 01:20:17 - One part of the war that we've gotten
1359 01:20:19 very little insight into is the battle for the sky.
1360 01:20:21 - This rumor of the Ghost of Kyiv.
1361 01:20:23 - The Ghost of Kyiv.
1362 01:20:24 - The Ghost of Kyiv, they call it.
1363 01:20:27 - The Russian Air Force has not been able
1364 01:20:28 to get air supremacy.
1365 01:20:30 Can you just talk a little bit about why that is?
1366 01:20:32 - Because they have a fear of our air defense.
1367 01:20:36 But we need effective tools to do this efficiently.
1368 01:21:16
1369 01:21:18 - How do the Russians get stopped?
1370 01:21:34 - The conflict will be going on for some time,
1371 01:21:37 and we need the weapons flowing,
1372 01:21:39 and without U.S. assistance,
1373 01:21:42 that would be close to not possible.
1374 01:21:44 We need new fighter jets.
1375 01:22:03 - That's much more exciting for him than it is for you.
1376 01:22:06 - Yeah.
1377 01:22:08
1378 01:22:11
1379 01:22:32 - We just watched your movie.
1380 01:22:35 The next "Top Gun" movie should be made in Ukraine.
1381 01:22:40 - You know, you put the world on notice
1382 01:22:42 that Ukraine, you know,
1383 01:22:44 isn't fucking laying down for anything.
1384 01:22:46 It's a real honor to talk to you guys.
1385 01:22:48 - Thank you for support.
1386 01:22:50
1387 01:22:52 - As this war went on,
1388 01:22:55 it got more and more difficult
1389 01:22:57 to keep attention and interest in it.
1390 01:22:59 - Other stories we're following for you...
1391 01:23:01 - Will Smith clashed with comedian Chris Rock.
1392 01:23:04 - There's a time limit.
1393 01:23:06 - The world watched Johnny Depp's...
1394 01:23:07 - And there's an energy limit
1395 01:23:08 to what people can put on the horrors
1396 01:23:11 of something taking place far away.
1397 01:23:13
1398 01:23:15 For Sean, it was very important
1399 01:23:17 to get back to Ukraine...
1400 01:23:19
1401 01:23:23 Get back to see what's going on
1402 01:23:25 and experience what it was like now in June.
1403 01:23:30 And we knew the important thing was getting Sean
1404 01:23:32 and Zelensky back together.
1405 01:23:33
1406 01:23:36
1407 01:23:38 - Ukraine's president is accusing Russia now
1408 01:23:41 of bombing a crowded shopping mall
1409 01:23:43 in the eastern part of the country.
1410 01:23:44
1411 01:23:46 - The capital, Kyiv, once again in the crosshairs.
1412 01:23:50 - This morning, the most serious attack
1413 01:23:52 on Kyiv in weeks, two apartment blocks struck.
1414 01:23:55 - In residential buildings hit by rockets,
1415 01:23:58 the number of civilian casualties is rising.
1416 01:24:02 - Is this it?
1417 01:24:04 - Yeah, this is-- this is it.
1418 01:24:06
1419 01:24:22 Who's coming?
1420 01:24:26
1421 01:24:35 Wow.
1422 01:24:52 This was the living room.
1423 01:24:54 That was a bedroom and restroom.
1424 01:24:58 - Yeah, this is not structurally sound anymore,
1425 01:25:00 is it? - No.
1426 01:25:03 - So what are you doing now?
1427 01:25:05 Just hearing out the things that can be salvaged?
1428 01:25:08 - Yeah, so actually, I asked the military guys
1429 01:25:09 to help me out.
1430 01:25:11 They came here. They clear everything.
1431 01:25:12 They try to make sure that we actually can take anything.
1432 01:25:16 I tried to find, like, really sensitive stuff,
1433 01:25:18 like maybe pictures or, like, some other stuff.
1434 01:25:21 Yeah, that's it.
1435 01:25:22 Like, I just wanted to find something.
1436 01:25:23 - What can we help you carry? - Nothing.
1437 01:25:26 It's done. - It's done. Okay.
1438 01:25:27 - It's done.
1439 01:25:28 We took everything that we could.
1440 01:25:29 That's it.
1441 01:25:32 Welcome to my home.
1442 01:25:34
1443 01:25:45
1444 01:26:17 - Because you can?
1445 01:26:18 - Because I can.
1446 01:26:21 - Thank you.
1447 01:26:28
1448 01:26:31 - And here too.
1449 01:26:33
1450 01:26:49
1451 01:27:10 - I'm a little bit late.
1452 01:27:12 Maybe not little. Sorry. I'm so sorry.
1453 01:27:14 - No, you're fine.
1454 01:27:17 Once the invasion began,
1455 01:27:21 what was the first moment
1456 01:27:23 that you were able to check in with your family?
1457 01:27:27
1458 01:27:29 - In the night, I think.
1459 01:27:30 In the night. It was in the night.
1460 01:27:32 And I had phone call.
1461 01:27:34 My wife, I said, "Tell children,
1462 01:27:37 "detailing everything.
1463 01:27:40 What does it mean, the war with Russia?"
1464 01:27:43 - The day of the invasion, when you walked in,
1465 01:27:46 I saw a change in you.
1466 01:27:48 There was an air of, you were born for this moment.
1467 01:27:53 It was so clear
1468 01:27:55 that we were in a moment of...
1469 01:27:58 extreme history.
1470 01:28:01 - Everybody has to be--
1471 01:28:04 has to become older, older at this moment
1472 01:28:08 to understand what to do and what we are doing,
1473 01:28:11 because we need to live in the real life,
1474 01:28:15 not in fairy tale.
1475 01:28:22 - There it is.
1476 01:28:26 - So this is the direct impact crater?
1477 01:28:28 - Yeah.
1478 01:28:33
1479 01:28:40 And he's like wise...
1480 01:28:44 political man.聽
1481 01:28:47 So even our children began because of the war.
1482 01:28:51 They began to speak, like, you know,
1483 01:28:53 to speak not like children.
1484 01:28:56
1485 01:29:00 He understand why I am not with him every day.
1486 01:29:06 He said to me that, "I understand you,
1487 01:29:09 "and I think that in the future,
1488 01:29:13 maybe we can have something like it was before the war."
1489 01:29:16 He understand that it will not be such way like it was.
1490 01:29:20 Only now we know what country we have to build.
1491 01:29:25 I made a lot of decisions.
1492 01:29:28 For example...
1493 01:29:35 And we'll see the result only after the war.
1494 01:29:38 From this point, we can't come back
1495 01:29:42 to the political, economical
1496 01:29:45 securities strategy.
1497 01:29:47 It couldn't be just democracy,
1498 01:29:50 just liberal attitude to everything.
1499 01:29:52 It couldn't be so.
1500 01:29:56 But we should know that soldiers with weapon
1501 01:30:02 will be in the streets.
1502 01:30:05 You know, how can everywhere be people with guns?
1503 01:30:08 Why you are looking what is in my bag
1504 01:30:11 when I'm entering shops?
1505 01:30:13 Now we should do it.
1506 01:30:15 It's a pity.
1507 01:30:18 It's not about Ukraine.
1508 01:30:21 That is the result of all the wars.
1509 01:30:35 - Yeah, this kind of stuff is still shockingly stupid,
1510 01:30:39 and the idea that one evil little man
1511 01:30:43 could be so generating the force behind it,
1512 01:30:47 it's just unimaginable
1513 01:30:50 and has to change somehow for--
1514 01:30:53 I think about it for my kids,
1515 01:30:54 because everything that happens here
1516 01:30:56 is going to affect
1517 01:30:57 every other place in the world today.
1518 01:30:59 And I think that's the reason that we're all
1519 01:31:00 so invested in this,
1520 01:31:02 and because Ukraine is representing
1521 01:31:04 the greatest aspirations that we all share.
1522 01:31:07
1523 01:31:09 - They will not stop...
1524 01:31:11 never.
1525 01:31:13 A lot of people die.
1526 01:31:15 And... [sighs, clears throat]
1527 01:31:17 so--so it's tragedy,
1528 01:31:20 but I understood that this tragedy result of the war.
1529 01:31:25 I understood it.
1530 01:31:26 They will destroy everything.
1531 01:31:28 People want to forget what's going on in the East.
1532 01:31:32 Believe me, now they destroyed everything on the East.
1533 01:31:36
1534 01:31:40 We need to go and talk
1535 01:31:42 to the soldiers who are fighting the fight
1536 01:31:45 and spend some time on the front line.
1537 01:31:47 - Yes, it's possible. We could help.
1538 01:31:50 We're very interested to show the world
1539 01:31:52 what's going on here.
1540 01:31:54 We are fighting.
1541 01:31:55 We destroyed a lot of Russian troops,
1542 01:31:57 and they destroyed us.
1543 01:31:59 That is the war between two.
1544 01:32:01 They are not waiting, and we are fighting.
1545 01:32:03 They will dig in.
1546 01:32:05 So that is the problem.
1547 01:32:06 We should press on them.
1548 01:32:09 That's very difficult with such,
1549 01:32:11 I think, slowly way
1550 01:32:14 of getting weapons.
1551 01:32:17 With such speed...
1552 01:32:20 you can't move forward.
1553 01:32:23
1554 01:32:26
1555 01:32:29 - Ukraine is intent on pushing Russian troops
1556 01:32:31 back to their border with the help
1557 01:32:33 of advanced long-range missile systems
1558 01:32:36 en route from the United States.
1559 01:32:38 - The U.S. is sending artillery rocket systems
1560 01:32:40 known as HIMARS.
1561 01:32:42 - The weaponry includes the M142
1562 01:32:45 high-mobility artillery rocket system.
1563 01:33:20 - Once you fire from a position,
1564 01:33:22 does that immediately mean you're gonna move positions?
1565 01:34:01 I think that because of our proximity now
1566 01:34:05 to active combat, that's where our sights should be set.
1567 01:34:22
1568 01:34:25
1569 01:34:34 - Let's put that in this truck.
1570 01:34:36 - Yeah, we're gonna do this.
1571 01:34:38 - Let's do that. - Okay.
1572 01:34:41
1573 01:34:45 Okay.
1574 01:34:47
1575 01:34:54 - Up.
1576 01:34:56 - Okay.
1577 01:34:58
1578 01:35:01 So that means we're getting close.
1579 01:35:04
1580 01:35:16 During last ten days...
1581 01:35:23 During last ten days.
1582 01:35:25 Because shells are going without stopping.
1583 01:35:28 No stop, shelling without stopping,
1584 01:35:31 any stopping, different kinds.
1585 01:35:33 And it's, you know...
1586 01:35:37 that is what we have.
1587 01:35:40 - Russia is intensifying its assault
1588 01:35:42 in the east of Ukraine.
1589 01:35:44 - And the Ukrainians may have to decide do they,
1590 01:35:47 as it were, dig in in Severodonetsk,
1591 01:35:49 or do they give up the city now
1592 01:35:50 and leave while they can?
1593 01:35:52
1594 01:36:02
1595 01:36:39
1596 01:36:42
1597 01:36:45
1598 01:37:28 - Can you speak to what importance it was
1599 01:37:30 to the solidary of this fight
1600 01:37:33 that the president stayed in Kyiv?
1601 01:38:14
1602 01:38:23
1603 01:38:28 - These Russians, they killed a lot of people.
1604 01:38:31 And it was, for me, shock,
1605 01:38:33 also for everybody, that they--
1606 01:38:40
1607 01:38:41 - Raped, yeah.
1608 01:38:43 When they began, when they raped
1609 01:38:44 some women and some children, it was fuck--
1610 01:38:47 I can't find, you know, right words
1611 01:38:50 and never find.
1612 01:38:52 I will never find for this, because it was shock.
1613 01:38:57 So many children, so many blood.
1614 01:38:59
1615 01:39:03 - Russia is bombing kindergarten schools,
1616 01:39:07 maternity hospitals.
1617 01:39:09
1618 01:39:15 - They are crimes. They're not really soldiers.
1619 01:39:17 They did crime
1620 01:39:20 against the humanitarian...
1621 01:39:22 - Right. - Values.
1622 01:39:25 - Latvian MPs have declared Russia
1623 01:39:28 a state sponsor of terrorism,
1624 01:39:30 saying its invasion of Ukraine
1625 01:39:32 amounted to genocide.
1626 01:39:34 - Ukrainian officials saying
1627 01:39:35 there are 1,000 new war crimes investigations
1628 01:39:39 now underway in just one newly liberated city.
1629 01:39:43 - For those who've lived under occupation,
1630 01:39:45 it's been hell.
1631 01:39:48 - There is very serious erosion
1632 01:39:49 of moral values in Russia,
1633 01:39:52 which is dangerous for the whole world.
1634 01:40:34 - History will remember and talk about Zelensky.
1635 01:40:38 He went beyond the expectations,
1636 01:40:40 went beyond what anybody could have imagined he would do.
1637 01:40:45 But Russia's not going anywhere.
1638 01:40:49 This toxic environment
1639 01:40:51 doesn't go away for many, many years.
1640 01:40:56 - What are the challenges in the short term?
1641 01:40:58 - To fly, you need two wings.
1642 01:41:00 Don't give me one wing and waiting,
1643 01:41:04 when you will fly?
1644 01:41:05 I will never fly with one wing.
1645 01:41:07 I need two, and if you want me to fly now,
1646 01:41:11 I need two now.
1647 01:41:13 So we should win now, jointly, with all the world now.
1648 01:41:20
1649 01:41:23 - It's already economic warfare,
1650 01:41:26 sanctions, energy warfare.
1651 01:41:29 It's refugee flows destabilizing countries.
1652 01:41:33
1653 01:41:36 What happens if Russia starts to fracture,
1654 01:41:39 Chechens start to break off...
1655 01:41:46 It's a recipe for the Chinas of the world
1656 01:41:49 to make territorial grabs,
1657 01:41:51 for the Irans of the world to make territorial grabs.
1658 01:41:55 - If you want to keep China out of Taiwan,
1659 01:41:57 keep Ukraine in the fight.
1660 01:41:59 Push Russia out,
1661 01:42:00 and keep that fight from coming to us,
1662 01:42:01 'cause if Ukraine loses, we lose.
1663 01:42:05 If Ukraine fails, it's not just a failure for democracy.
1664 01:42:08 It's a failure for the global economy,
1665 01:42:11 because we're seeing how dependent we all are
1666 01:42:13 not just on oil and gas,
1667 01:42:15 but also, global supply chains are affected.
1668 01:42:19 So their fight is our fight,
1669 01:42:22 and the tip of the spear right now
1670 01:42:24 is the fight in Ukraine.
1671 01:42:25 - And if these people
1672 01:42:28 are ready to kill children,
1673 01:42:31 are ready to kill civilians,
1674 01:42:34 why will they stop?
1675 01:42:37 For what?
1676 01:42:38 - If Ukraine not stop the Russia
1677 01:42:42 and not win,
1678 01:42:44 they not a reason to stopping in the future.
1679 01:42:49 Next will be Moldova.
1680 01:42:51 Next will be Lithuania, Poland.
1681 01:42:54 It means that it will be war against NATO.
1682 01:42:59 And it means that, once again,
1683 01:43:02 American soldiers
1684 01:43:04 will be sent for the new war in Europe.
1685 01:43:34 I went many cities, Chicago, Los Angeles, Boston
1686 01:43:39 what I could with those money I had,
1687 01:43:42 not a lot of money,
1688 01:43:43 to understand, what does it mean, democracy?
1689 01:43:46 What does it mean, feeling-- this feeling...
1690 01:43:50 I loved to run.
1691 01:43:52 Especially in the morning,
1692 01:43:53 you could understand where you live.
1693 01:43:55 I wanted very much to go to the country
1694 01:44:02 where freedom-- to find this feeling.
1695 01:44:07 Ukrainians so long time
1696 01:44:11 wanted to be free. - Hmm.
1697 01:44:15 - And Ukrainians didn't understand--me also.
1698 01:44:19 We didn't understand that we have to pay for that.
1699 01:44:22
1700 01:44:27 And we didn't understand the high price of it.
1701 01:44:32 This understanding of freedom came with a war,
1702 01:44:36 with the fighting for this freedom.
1703 01:44:41 For Americans to understand what's going on here
1704 01:44:44 and to understand the price,
1705 01:44:47 they can feel it only if they will be on the war,
1706 01:44:51 and I don't want them to fight in the war.
1707 01:44:54 They had already--had already many different wars,
1708 01:44:58 many different dead guys and soldiers
1709 01:45:01 on different wars.
1710 01:45:03 If we will not win now,
1711 01:45:05 Americans will fight
1712 01:45:08 in some years with this enemy.
1713 01:45:12 Can tyranny win or not?
1714 01:45:17 What will be the end of this war?
1715 01:45:20 If I fight, I should win,
1716 01:45:26 because if you are not ready to win,
1717 01:45:29 don't fight.
1718 01:45:31
1719 01:45:34
1720 01:45:39
1721 01:45:44 - One year ago, we interviewed you,
1722 01:45:47 and you said what?
1723 01:46:00 And... yeah, yeah.
1724 01:46:12
1725 01:46:15
1726 01:46:16 - I hope, I really hope
1727 01:46:19 that when he's an old man and I'm an even older one
1728 01:46:25 that I might be sitting with him
1729 01:46:26 in a peaceful and prosperous free Kyiv
1730 01:46:30 laughing like a couple of kids
1731 01:46:32 at what William Saroyan called "the infinite delight
1732 01:46:37 and mystery of life."
1733 01:46:42
1734 01:46:45
1735 01:46:48 You have a job as a head of state to lead...
1736 01:46:53
1737 01:46:55 To inspire, to communicate,
1738 01:47:01 to sacrifice...
1739 01:47:03
1740 01:47:05 It's been said that leadership's
1741 01:47:07 first responsibility is to define reality
1742 01:47:11 in courage in the face of unspeakable terror.
1743 01:47:15
1744 01:47:18 Volodymyr Zelensky has done that.
1745 01:47:20
1746 01:47:24 And he's done it despite a next-level problem set.
1747 01:47:29 He'd done it for his country.
1748 01:47:32 He'd done it for his children.
1749 01:47:34 And he'd done it for ours.
1750 01:47:38 Going to Ukraine, I got filled with this feeling of unity.
1751 01:47:44 That's not because I'm closing my eyes
1752 01:47:46 to what the cost of it is right now.
1753 01:47:50 It was about how they were paying it
1754 01:47:52 in common cause.
1755 01:47:55 The weapons and ammunition are not being supplied quickly
1756 01:47:59 or completely, yet Ukrainians battle on
1757 01:48:03 with otherworldly courage in a freedom war
1758 01:48:06 for sovereignty and the right to dream.
1759 01:48:11 And we in the United States,
1760 01:48:14 if we don't find common cause,
1761 01:48:17 then we're only going backwards.
1762 01:48:20 And we're gonna kill each other.
1763 01:49:09
1764 01:49:12
1765 01:51:40
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1796 01:54:29
1797 01:54:36
1798 01:54:42
1799 01:54:46
1800 01:55:04 - Mr. President, what's the first thing you're gonna do
1801 01:55:06 once Ukraine wins this war?
1802 01:55:15
1803 01:55:17
1804 01:55:21
1805 01:55:31